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内容摘要:US-China trade talks photo: The difference between negotiators is going viral on Weibo美中贸易谈判照片:谈判者的差别在中国微博上引起热议网友评论:[–]EVJoe 9 1 Pictured le...
US-China trade talks photo: The difference between negotiators is going viral on Weibo


[–]EVJoe 9 1
Pictured left, a row of young Chinese diplomats hoping to further cement the future of their country.
Pictured right, a row a elderly men eager to sell the remains of their country's future before the young ones socialize everything.


[–]kevie3drinks 5 1
octogenarians on one side who have no idea what they are even negotiating on.


[–]czj113 1 1
Wow, these old farts negotiating on behalf of the American people probably have no understanding of the technology that drives the US or Global economy today, let alone the foresight to dictate policy for the future.


[–]jb_highfive 1  1
This sums up America.


[–]Suck_My_Turnip 12  1
...What difference? That the chinese side are chinese and the american side are american?


[–]softnmushy 30 1
The difference is age. In the modern photo, all the Chinese people are relatively young compared to the Westerners, who look very old. In the old photo, it was the Westerners who looked relatively young.


[–]Steppen_hund 1  22  
e,maybe, it's the result of The Great Culture Revolution......


[–]avinashtavares 3 1
Trump underestimates China. In fact the Chinese are way ahead of the game.


[–]Matt7531 14 1
You overestimate China. They aren't as strong as you think.


[–]avinashtavares 2 1
Maybe, but they r smarter than the current US administration. What the people don't see is how corporates are using the administration to get sweet deals from China. Don't worry, Trump is not the only joker. The Chinese have out smarted other leaders like Narendra Modi

也许吧,但他们比现在的美国政府更聪明。人们看不到的是企业如何利用政府来从中国获得甜蜜的交易。别担心,特朗普不是唯一的小丑。中国(领导)人比其他领导人更聪明,比如纳伦德拉•莫迪(Narendra Modi)。

[–]lonelysojourn 1  22
Repub or Dems, it seems like no one knows how the chinese are gaming the trade. If one more US official complains we need to get tough on the exchange rate or tariff levels, I'll blow my brains out in tribute to the fallen republic. It's sad no one on the US side appears to knows the keys to trading leverage. And it's so so simple too.


[–]GiRaf1e 2 1
The greatest difference may be that the meeting in the upper picture is an equal discussion while after the meeting in the picture below,China was forced to give a great deal of money to the western countries(and Japan) as a price of losing the war.


[–]borkthegee 15 1
"The best people!"
Enjoy this China, this is a cash grab, a smash and run. The United States is rudderless and leaderless for a little bit longer so have your goddamn way with us while you can. We deserve it: we've done it to ourselves.


[–]the_slovenian -12 1
Pretty sure America will be rudderless for a long long time, the way it is set up.


[–]gaoshanUnited States 8 1
The way America is set up actually makes us flexible which makes the country stronger in the long run. It also means we have ups and downs... we are flexible and bend after all... but it is also one of the secrets to our longevity. Right now China is strong and growing stronger but China’s strength (like many other authoritarian style governments) is rigid and brittle.


[–]the_slovenian 2 1
That's true, I agree with that. I guess I just only see the unnecessary infighting, which is why I have that opinion. I could definitely be wrong.


[–]gaoshanUnited States 5 1
It will work itself out. It seems bad right now but from a historical perspective the current turmoil is relatively benign. We are on a downslope, for sure, but it will end. I do think that the U.S.’s global power is permanently reduced but our ship will stay afloat and be strong enough.


[–]the_slovenian 4 1
Hope so.


[–]d4rdrdr -2 1
Are you sure you wanna go into a longevity contest with China?


[–]gaoshanUnited States 4 1
Depends on the type of contest. China plans ahead far better than the US does and is less susceptible to the whims of the moment. However, The US is a more resilient and flexible political system. I would put my money on China’s economic development kicking that of the US in the pants for some time to come. I would put my money on the US being able to better peacefully survive extreme turmoil, however (given the respective political systems... very important caveat). Hopefully there is room for both countries to continue to be successful.


[–]ancelotti 90 1
Although the public are probably unaware, the picture also speaks to a crisis of mid-level China diplomats. Everyone has realized the current foreign ministry holds little sway over decision making in Beijing which means anyone with talent or ambition has moved elsewhere.
...the average age of China’s more than 5,200 diplomats stands at around 38, with nearly half of them below 35, mostly entry-level or inexperienced diplomats and youth hires, according to state media reports
The American issue, well, give it a couple years and it should (hopefully) resolve itself.


[–]MuadD1b 29 1
The US delegation isn’t going to live long enough to see their deal implemented. I would rather be on the Chinese side and have some youth and vigor in our negotiators than a cadre of moribund octogenarians who are making policy for generations they have no experience with.


[–]mreguy81 10 1
Possible trade proposal from one of the guys on the American side:
"We will buy more of your rice and bicycles if you let our Googles to sell you more of their internets."


[–]rhiyo 48 1
I like how the Chinese side is more age diverse (and gender?). In this context it might not make sense, but the only feeling I got from the US side is too many people out of date and probably out of touch with modern issues.


[–]BurgerLaowaiItaly 5 1
Experience will trounce youth when it comes to trade negotiations.


[–]rhiyo 4 1
Yeah, I was trying to hint that I don't know and experience could be better than youth. But SURELY it'd be better to have some diversity? I also feel like you could have experience at a younger age than the people here (if given the opportunity). I can imagine 1 or 2 people being this age.
But also, I'm just basing this off the picture, Im sure this many younger people working behind the scenes too.


[–]alonjar 3 22小时前
Experience will trounce youth when it comes to trade negotiations.
Will it, though? The backbone of Chinese trade policy the last 20 years is to make agreements which seem beneficial to both parties, but then they dont actually follow through with their end of the bargain, reaping the benefits of the deal without allowing reciprocation.
The whole idea was that we would commit to investment in China and buy Chinese goods utilizing the cheaper labor and infrastructure costs, in exchange for China opening their new economy to global markets, greatly increasing our potential customer base.
In reality, they leveraged their lower costs to capitalize on our ruling class' greed for increased profit margins, while reneging on their side of the deal by implementing the most protectionist trade policies in the entire world. They gambled that we wouldn't call them out on this and we would continue to pump money into their country to maintain those margins, and they were right.
Sounds to me like the aggressive risk-taking attributes of youth is working to their advantage over the conservative, risk-averse nature of our elderly ruling class.


[–]kisses_joy 81 1
As someone else noted on Twitter:
This is inane. China is massively gerontocratic, the people actually holding the power within institutions are Inevitably Han men over 50, and the average age of the Politburo is 62. This generation of young people in China is one of the smallest and most constrained for decades.


[–]fangfufu -14 1
That tweet is inane.
The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 114th Congress was 57.0 years; of Senators, 61.0 years.


[–]Stormtech5 10 1
Old people are into politics is what i get from it... I just want housing to be affordable and our economy not to collapse when 1 worker has to cover 2-3 retired baby boomers in a few years!
That and manufacturing jobs like Boeing have like 40% of their workforce eligible for retirement right now, so the faster the boomers get out of the workforce, the more job opportunities will be available for me in my career path in aerospace machining.
That is of course if we don't get another recession or worse ;)


[–]LaoSh 9 1
It's also that elderly in the west tend to have better health than elderly in China due to a better understanding of health and medicine. Turns out hot water great for lead poisoning, arthritis and dementia.


[–]LingCHN 10 1
Old Chinese politicians are forced to retire at a certain age by CCP. It doesn't matter if they want to retire or not.
It's not like a Chinese Trump can run for President of China and win at the age of 70. It's simply impossible in China.
On the other hand, there are some "dinosaurs" in U.S. Congress because there are no term limits. That and Americans don't dye grey hair.


[–]-ipa 5 1
It's not like a Chinese Trump can run for President of China and win at the age of 70. It's simply impossible in China.
Because there are no real elections in the first place.


[–]Nefelia 7 22
Internal elections.
His point remains: there is an age cap in the Chinese government that is absent in the US government.


[–]fangfufu 3 1
There isn't much difference between the senior US politicians and senior Chinese politicians. Can't you see that?


[–]DeceptichumAustralia 1 15
Exactly, so pretending they're all young and lively whilst the US side is old and decrypt is false.


[–]FileError214 1 15
What about elections? That’s a pretty significant difference, wouldn’t you say?


[–]HotNaturedUnited States 25 1
I mean... All things considered, it's a false equivalency. Those old Chinese dudes were educated at the school of Confucius and guanxi and scholar-official shit. I'm drunk and can't track down who's sitting at the American side in the top photo, but I'm sure these ancient fucks have studied law, global affairs, and international affairs at Harvard/Yale/Cambridge. Moreover, they have substantially more experience on trade issues:
As members of the Trump administration delegation arrived in Beijing on Thursday for two days of high-level talks, they sat across from Chinese officials with limited experience in trade matters... the members of China’s new negotiating team have deep backgrounds in economics and finance, but they are less comfortable with the minutiae of trade laws. And although they are familiar with the American delegation’s main players, they are less acquainted with who does what among lower-level advisers and officials when it comes to United States trade policy. Both countries have played down the possibility that the negotiations will resolve the simmering tensions between them. Still, Chinese officials’ lack of experience in international trade law could make it even harder for the two sides to find common ground before the talks end on Friday.


[–]Bangelo95 6 1
Those American negotiators look like dinosaurs


[–]pantsfish 4 1
Those are congressmen, not negotiators. It's a bit of an unfair comparison, since the Chinese on the left are just diplomats


[–]Bangelo95 1 9
Those are not congressmen. Trump sent a delegation to China including some of his top advisors to negotiate on trade. The most notable being Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer.
Lol and it doesn’t matter who they “are”. They’re all actively negotiating, and are thus negotiators in these photos.


[–]pantsfish 0 8
It kind of does matter who they are, since people are assuming that the men on the left and right are in equivalent positions and are thus comparing their ages. In reality the high-level legislature in both countries are elderly, but China's are older. Diplomats skew younger, but China is facing issues in staffing it's foreign ministry.
It also kind of matters who they are, since the Chinese staff hold much less authority in deciding how to carry out the negotiations than the pictured Americans


[–]Bangelo95 1 8
My point was it doesn’t matter in the sense that they’re all acting as negotiators. And regardless you were wrong in saying they are congressmen. The Americans are much more constrained than the Chinese in these negotiations. There is only so much the Executive Branch can leverage in regards to American trade policy. China has much more room to maneuver than the current American administration which is constrained by checks and balances not to mention growing political polarization.


[–]Nevespot 6 1
I'm not fully sure what I should gather but yes its certainly an interesting comparison meme photo.
In the older photo, I would say the Westerners are also mostly older men around the same age as the Chinese (sat at the desks).
People are saying the modern one shows China's team is much younger today and so maybe they are less experienced and at some disadvantage?
But realistically, it's just that Chinese use hair-dye. And yes, Chinese do, overall, keep their hair longer whereas it does seem Euro-types are prone to balding.
A few others keep mentioning the number of Jewish people on the USA side. Sometimes I don't know what to say about this - yes, I guess Trump's most admired and oldest friends are there and yes many/some are New York Jews. Okay.. well.. is that a bad thing? Some would say that's a good thing! Are they saying Jews are extraordinarily good at negotiating trade, money, deals? Okay well GOOD! So what, let the best ones be there. If they are all 70 year old Jewish men from New York then I don't care as long as they are the best of the best at their missions.
The China side is a bit different and harder to explain and most Westerners like us won't 'get it'. Its a system of 'relationship' and here's an unnecessarily obscure term but 'filial piety' but basically, no matter how young that team is... they, ultimately, always do whatever the oldest ones determine and decide. or the highest authority. President Xi might as well be the ONLY man sitting on the other side in some sense. These are just his eyes and ears. But really, China's ways are too strange, complex and unusual for most of us to really grasp anyways.
Ultimately 'end of the day' - Trump takes back a portion of the unfair trade imbalance from the trade war China has been winning. China is just winning by a little less now.
Trump is actually wise to even out the imbalance over his next 6 years in office anyways. That's actually very very fast in terms of global changes but its slow enough it doesn't collapse the Chinese economy and gives everyone involved time to adjust.


[–]LingCHN 3 1
Trump is actually wise to even out the imbalance over his next 6 years in office anyways.
He hasn't won re-election.


[–]Nevespot 3 1
He hasn't won re-election.
Oh, hehe... oh yes he has.


[–]bootpalish 1 20小时前
If Bush junior can do it, so can he.


[–]Ioex_HoitChina -4 1
It's just that Chinese use hair-dye.
China government officials are not allowed to use hair-dye, or tattoos, you have it, you are not government offical. Plus, hair-dye exists in minorities, such like teens, ruffians, or losers.


[–]Wusuowhey 5 1
Because officials are out trying to dye their hair neon green and pink to look like Jared Leto? Yeah, that's totally a fair equivalency.


[–]Nevespot 2 17
China government officials are not allowed to use hair-dye
President Xi is amazing, 64 years old and jet black hair! Maybe its from those hair-darkening TCM tablets they sell that promise to darken hair naturally from the inside!
But yes, they are all dying their hair. nearly every Chinese over 50 is working on it all the time hehe


[–]Ioex_HoitChina 1 17
Nearly every Chinese over 50
Why Chinese in particular?


[–]Nevespot 1 8
Why Chinese in particular?
There is a general overwhelming belief/social perception that black hair is a sign of internal health, vitality and strength. They really do sell boatloads of herbs promising to repair and invigorate at some cellular level that will therefore return your hair to it's healthy dark state.
One of the cringiest things I see is younger couples pulling white hairs out of each other's heads. It's as if they believe that white hair was some 'extra one' or that if gone it won't come back?
This is even worse when you see middle-aged women with messy bald spots on the front/top of their head. It's from them plucking out gray (white) hairs over and over again. I think it becomes obsessive.
I don't know if there are some historical cultural roots (no pun intended) but these days it could be partly the usual suspect of social status? Poor villagers would be less likely to have the means but the wealthier people would be able to afford professional dye-jobs. Some others suggest it's strongly linked to Chinese homogeneous 'monoculture' tendencies where white hair actually stands out too much while black hair is like a 'standard suit' showing you are a team player.
It does seem that women do it for the mostly standard modern reason to just look younger.
But there is that pervasive belief that good health = dark hair. Weakening health = whiter hair.
btw, is funny this is a discussion because just earlier today I had a man approaching me on his bicycle and i genuinely thought he was wearing a unique white helmet! then I realized it was his hair! It was damn near as white as snow. Funny thing is, he might have been closer to 60 and had about the fullest thickest hair you'd see on a 20-something year old man. So there you go - in a way he was the outstanding 'show off' unique individual in a street or 1000 or more Chinese. But being 'strange' isn't necessarily a good thing in China.


[–]Ioex_HoitChina 1 3
I wouldn't deny any of above.
But I would like say if a Chinese women decide to dye their hairs, the most likely color is yellow or brown, which makes them look like blondie. They think blondie look makes them more attractive. Seems western tendency rules women's life instead of monoculture, if later one means blue-white-black only wearing culture, that rules in North Korean still.


[–]mammalian_magistrate 5 1
Everyone is wearing western suits. Western imperialism ftw.


[–]LingCHN 1 1
It's cultural appropriation.


[–]holyevilcowChina -1 22
Haha. In America people are talking about the opioid crisis like it's some sort of new thing, little do they know hot blondes in pencil skirt and high-heels is way better than red coats with canons. At least the drug reps bring you food.


[–]xiaosile 3 1
i thought the meme was "Did the US send the same team?"


[–]fritobuggerUnited States 2 1
Says a lot about both sides. China isn't serious so they send young junior staff who are powerless to make deals. USA side is staffed by rejects and old men because no one good wants to work for Trump


[–]Plurii 4 22
They have a good balance of old and wiser minds to young and quicker minds.


[–]ReichSmasher2018 2 1
America is going to get carved up soon.
History does rhyme you know?


[–]bukorobe 2 1
This is genius. If the Americans ever need to stall, to take some time to think about something, or even just to go for a smoke break, and one of those guys could convincingly fake a heart attack.


[–]Frost_Lich_Anduin 2 1
This is just mental masturbation of those "keyboard patriots". They don't even know what the pictures mean.
All they want to express is that China is stronger than 150 years ago because China has younger government officials......what a joke.


[–]Salaried_Shill 6 23
I think the picture speaks for itself. Look at the US side. It's pathetic.


[–]Nefelia 10 22
Eh, China is stronger than it was 150 years ago because it isn't getting its military wrecked by the Brits. We hardly need a picture to drive that point home.
As for the picture: it is an amusing contrast. Enjoy it and move on with your day.


[–]wiktionnaireChina 7 22
The spread and various interpretations of this picture is even more interesting to me.


[–]parking7 3 21
Dealing with previous interactions involving visits like these, the younger folks are likely translators/interpreters.


[–]Echo3213 1 19
I suppose it is saying: one thing is China is growing stronger, unlike there was only 1 to 3 people have a seat can be a representative. Another is they are in a new stage with young generation now.......


[–]Domhnal[S] 1 16
My take away from this is that whole "stages" thing. I can't evaluate any member on either team, obviously, but it sure looks like an up-and-comer sitting across a "down-and-goer".


[–]RationalLies 1 12
It looks like the white people in the old pic are the same (but older) white people in the new one.






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